Anonymous asked: And even then, only in one way. Egalitarism simply treats everyone equal, which is fine and dandy in general, but it doesn't take into account cultural differences and how they imprint on us (f.e. muslim feminism or WoC feminism has a bunch of issues Western and white feminism doesn't have and these differences are acknowledged.). Egalitarism as of now is very... western. And very imperialistic in that regard. White feminism can be too, but we're working on that already.
Interesting insight. On a side note, a few of the readings I’ve done in high school and college here talk about how there’s no golden “correct” and everything depends on each specific society’s views and accepted standards. Personally, it’s this that makes me unmotivated and almost afraid to impinge on other cultures’ views.
And it acknowledges changes and influences, like globalization, westernization, etc., and wherever the tide pulls or pushes our society, new problems always show up. Take for example the trans society whose voice seems to only now be heard.
I think in the end, Equalism is just happy when complacency through equality occurs, which really won’t happen ever unless the world becomes a unified nation *laughs*
And that last sentence, basically what the post boiled down to. Even anon knows what’s up, pretty cool guy/girl.
Anonymous asked: Also, Feminism is not egalitarianism. Feminism has the goal to elevate women by granting them the same rights and societal privileges (which then will too become rights) as men have. Fourth wave has the goal to break down societal and enforced gender and sexuality roles and binaries, thus granting the freedom to express yourself and your identity as you are happy without being harrassed over it. Egalitarism is in one way the end goal of this, not the way to it.
Kinda similar to the ask about my Pro-gay stance, my views on women’s progression is up until the point of “Women are the best!”
Not saying that this is what feminism is, but I just want to let it be known that I’m simply an ally and not full-blown crazy like those ball cutting Tumblr feminists.
And perhaps egalitarianism isn’t what I am, if your definition of egalitarianism is to be completely passive and lacking in contribution and direction. I’d like to do all the things needed as a citizen to achieve equality, for example following the needed steps in society, treatment of women, voting, etc., to achieve the equality we should have.
So maybe Equalism is a term I should coin, free from the passiveness of egalitarianism and the ignorant anger of Tumbler-feminism.
Anonymous asked: Gay marriage. You don't see a reason to treat gays differently. Congrats, you've fulfilled the minimum standard to be a basically decent human being. Ok. But sadly, what you say is: "I'm not actively doing anything. I just stand by. I don't harm anyone, so I'm golden." Sadly, you're not. With your silence, you support the opressor, not the opressed. Opressed need voices speaking up, not just voices not throwing slurs at them. It's not that hard, really. Start with online petitions.
Hehe, I didn’t mention that I vote and stuff too. Basically, I do everything up until the pro-gay point of “OMG gay couples are the best.”
Anonymous asked: Pro-lifers are anti-abortion under almost all circumstances. This belief includes the notion that it's a woman's job to have children, regardless her life choices, health, etc. Pro-lifers reduce a woman to her womb and the "function" said womb fulfills, thus robbing her of her agency. ... you know, I don't know your definition of anti-feminism, but this smells like it to me.
This is the only ask I strongly disagree with. I’ll use my two female, pro-life friends as an example.
While they believe that women should always have equal rights in all things, just like I do, the one thing we can never agree on is the topic of abortion.
While I talk about how women have control over their bodies and all that typical pro-choice stuff, these two women literally are so firm in their belief that the fertilized egg is a LIFE. It’s a debate on simply whether or not abortion is murder, and they claim murder.
Yes, their view, in the end, boils down to, “Hey you are pregnant, so it is your responsibility to let this child use your womb.” But it’s simply the end consequence of the nature of pregnancy and how termination means murder.
The most important part of their view is that they also acknowledge that if you can move the embryo to an external womb in a laboratory for its development, that’s acceptable too. But if you can’t, then you either suck it up for 9 months, or you become a murderer.
You can even give the child away once it is “born.” Just as long as you don’t MURDER. Neglecting the baby once it’s born, or giving up your career to take care of this baby, all of this is a total different debate. We are simply talking about MURDER.
It’s not entirely feminist, but it’s not anti-feminist either. It’s simply the result of pregnancy and nature and accessibility to technology and life or death.
And while I don’t agree with their view (I think embryos aren’t human until a certain development stage, which should be decided on scientifically and not spiritually, and that abortion before this stage is NOT murder), I can respect their view, simply because it all boils down to the unanimous, indisputable fact that murder is wrong.
Anonymous asked: Ooooooooooooooooook, sit down for a second. Rape culture: Women are to blame for being raped. Women have to cover up. Cause men are animals. ... hint, I've never heard a feminist woman utter this. Men are human beings, perfectly capable of self control and thus should practise it (not to mention that rape rarely is a mere sexual act, thus clothing has nothing to do with it). Bottom line: Feminists are not the ones calling men uncontrollable animals. Men do so, to excuse themselves.
I guess I’ll start with the first ask! Now, I only somewhat addressed this in my post, but not explicitly talking about rape culture.
The thing about rape culture is that those who wholeheartedly accept it are clearly wrong, but those who are completely against it are wrong too. I addressed this in the post when I talked about clothes not contributing to 100% of rapes, but not 0% either.
Hold your flaming horses! I’m not saying all guys are rapists. I’m not saying there are no rapists out there. I’m just saying there are some people out there who are rapists, just like there are some people who are thieves, some who are murderers, some who are alcoholics, some who are smokers.
Anyways, back to relevancy. Yes, men are humans and this should practice self-control. Yes, most rapes aren’t “dead of night, sketchy alleyway, wrong place wrong time” rapes. Most rapes are done by men who knew the woman, fueled by anger, jealousy, or straight up thirst. Clothes don’t matter in this situation, and I acknowledge it because it’s obvious.
But this type of rape, even though a majority, isn’t the only type of situation. You’ve also got the date rapes, abductions, and even the “dead of night, sketchy alleyway, wrong place wrong time” rapes that actually do exist, albeit obviously rarer.
I remember reading an article a few years ago (I’d link it if I could find it…) of a college student, a MALE, who spent a day under a bridge with the homeless as an experiment to give him insight as to how homeless people live.
The one night he spent there, he was raped. As bad as Victim Blaming is connotatively, would you spend the night under that same bridge? If you did, and you got raped, are you completely not at fault?
Victim blaming is wrong in a nearly all cases, but in very specific and certain cases would it exist. The student definitely took a risk, being at that place at that time. In no way am I excusing the homeless man who raped him, and in no way am I putting the full blame on this poor student. I really hope you can understand what I’m trying to say.
Acknowledging the fact that, even though in a microscopic amount, victim blaming exists is enough to dispel any thoughts that women should never cover up. It sounds ugly and ignorant and applies to such a stupidly small amount of rapes, but clothing straight up (if I haven’t emphasized enough how small….) could be a factor.
Again, to sum it up, rape culture is neither 100% nor 0% true. Now, the thing I have a problem with is that, while a lot of feminists will agree with what I said earlier, how not all men are rapists but some are, SO many angry Tumblr feminists have this “either with us or against us” mentality.
If I disagree with rape culture, I’m in the clear. If I think rape culture exists always (if I haven’t made it clear enough, I don’t), I’m ignorant and a rapist, which is logical and acceptable. But, while I disagree with the notion that rape culture fully exists, the mere fact that I also acknowledge that victim blaming, an aspect of rape culture, exists in the most minuscule, microscopic amount is enough to make me a rapist?
No. Fuck spending a night under a bridge with homeless people.
The anon who messaged me is actually knowledgable and mature enough to actually read my post without instinctually instaflaming me, which is extremely refreshing :)
Can’t decide how to respond because there’s like 5 messages, but I really think the insight is worth sharing because anon was a pretty cool guy/girl. I accept/agree with a lot of points mentioned, but I do think a few things are incorrect. Tbc!
As a cis, heterosexual male, I would very much like to think of myself as open-minded. I don’t think homosexual couples are any more special than hetero couples and thus don’t deserve any more or less special treatment than the rest of us, be it legal or social or economic. We can joke about homosexuality the same way we treat racial jokes: as jokes. Like how me and my gay friend say, “Wow that’s so gay.” We can recognize their struggles in history and society and commemorate their progression, but in the end they’re nothing more or less special.
It’s this mindset that I contribute to the gay community, and it’s this mindset that makes me confident to say I’m pro same-sex/gay rights, and there’s no way to debate against that.
I also would consider myself feminist at feminism’s pure, uncorrupted definition, where it is equated and used synonymously as “Equalism.” It’s not a real word, but it’s definitely a great pseudo that doesn’t come with the negative, angry, ball-cutting connotation of “Feminism.”
I agree that there is progression needed to be made. Guys need to respect women overall, the employment field should be leveled except at certain extremes (like fashion modeling, certain special-ops in the military, and other things that are limited to body only, rather than mind), and any guy out there who goes against the movement towards equality should be labeled and treated as ignorant.
At the same time, I hate how the world of feminism is filled with a huge number of people who automatically assume EVERYTHING within a category should be labeled and treated like the rest. It’s ignorance at the definition.
Take for example the time I had an ex-girlfriend a few years ago who, out of anger and frustration after I called her a “bitch” because she’s actually legitimately crazy and not because she’s a woman, she went to a counselor at my school and claimed I had sexually harassed and assaulted her.
She even said I asked her to go to prom with her when she didn’t want to, and that since I did it in front of the whole school, she was forced to say yes. Never mind the fact that literally every day she was saying how excited she was to go and was so happy about it all.
And the school brought in a policeWOman who questioned me, who ACTUALLY said, “Guys just don’t understand girls and the way they communicate,” on top of nearly arresting me and having me labeled a sex offender for doing NOTHING WRONG. My ex literally told them a fuckton of lies which I had PHYSICAL PROOF against with notes we passed and text messages and everything, and only after I showed her this physical evidence was I able to get the sexist, ignorant police officer to let me go. It’s textbook “Guilty until proven innocent.”
Mind you, my ex forced me to date her in the first place lest we wouldn’t be friends anymore, and she had raped me a year later after this incident anyways.
Stop treating us men like all of us are sex-craving rapists. Yes, some are, but it doesn’t mean the rest of us good guys deserve their hate.
Recognize the generalizations you make that are incorrect, like saying how rapes NEVER happen because of clothing. Seriously? NEVER? Yes, I recognize that a lot of ignorant men think clothes contribute a LARGE amount to rapes. Both are clearly wrong.
Yes, victim blaming is wrong, and we shouldn’t be saying to rape victims, “If only you wore a giant trench coat and a burqa,” but that’s because it would be inhumane to say that to someone who just got traumatized. And yes I’ll acknowledge again, the amount of rapes where this would apply would be minuscule and we shouldn’t automatically assume it was clothing that did the rape.
Don’t assume anyone who is pro-life is anti-feminist, because in their view, you’re killing another person. Plenty of men and women are pro-life.
Don’t assume men who call women fat are anti-feminist. Men call each other fat on a daily basis, women call each other fat, and women call men fat, and yes it’s wrong in the first place, but these people need to be labeled and treated differently than “anti-feminist.” Something along the lines of “judgmental jerks.”
And most importantly, don’t assume that any guy who isn’t with you is therefore against you. I feel women don’t deserve any more or less special treatment than men except at extremes, like fashion modeling and certain special-ops in the military. I joke about men and women similarly to the way I see racial jokes: as jokes. I recognize and appreciate women’s struggles and efforts in history and society, but in the end I simply do not believe we as men and women don’t deserve more or less special treatment than one another.
My view is my contribution to feminism and progression, and it’s this view that makes me down-to-the-definition “Feminist.” Rather, it makes me “Equalist,” and there’s no way to debate against it.
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Had a dream that I was a medieval Dutch ambassador to this Buddhist city-state, but on my journey there, I walked through UCSD and ran into Jessica, who looked really angry. I asked her why she was so mad, and she said it was because of some random person she hated that pissed her off.
I happened to have hated this person too, or at least pretended like I did (this person doesn’t exist in real life and I don’t know who they were). We just shit-talked for a few hours and became friends again, which was nice.
Then, later both of us decided to go to this class we had together, but Tiffany and Emily both had that class too, so we all sat together. It was still awkward to say anything to Emily, but we were able to sorta acknowledge each other and listen to each other.
And then after the class we went to Red Robin, all 4 of us. And while I didn’t say much, the rest of them talked a bunch. I was just admiring Emily the whole time, and after we finished eating, we all left.
I dunno where Tiffany and Jessica went, but I headed towards the Buddhist city-state, which was right next to school. Emily headed in the same direction, and she thought I was creeping on her and following her, and she got kinda mad. I asked her if we could just talk about stuff, and she raised her voice:
"If you want to talk about what I think you want to talk about, then no!" And she ran away. I really didn’t get too upset; I just hoped that redeveloping my friendship with Jessica would have made some kind of difference.
But when I got to the Buddhist temple to meet people, Emily was there, and I had thought she was creeping on me because when I saw her and she noticed, she was startled and embarrassed and ran away.
I dunno, it was a good dream. I wish I could be friends with all of them…